Comments on: Michael Alter’s Exemplary Review of Undesigned Coincidences https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/32376 Announcing appearances, publications, and analysis of questions historical, philosophical, and political by author, philosopher, and historian Richard Carrier. Fri, 03 Jan 2025 20:26:03 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Islam Hassan https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/32376#comment-39764 Mon, 30 Dec 2024 15:01:47 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=32376#comment-39764 Interestingly, it appears that Alter’s counter-apologetic writings on Christianity come from a Jewish apologetics perspective, not an irreligious one.

This doesn’t matter, of course, as it looks like he did a good job and produced a valuable book.

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By: Frederic Christie https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/32376#comment-39739 Tue, 24 Dec 2024 19:41:23 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=32376#comment-39739 This argument has always been so uncompelling to me.

For one thing, so many elements of it hinge on explaining silence. (I love the hypocrisy of Christians saying that you can’t deduce anything from silence then using silence when it suits them). Almost by definition, you can’t be totally sure why an author chose not to include something. Maybe one of the two Gospel authors hearing from an eyewitness later realized that a particular element had to be wrong but the other one didn’t, and all we’re seeing is the failure of one author to practice proper skepticism. Maybe both authors had access to essentially the same information but each chose to emphasize different details, which lends no additional credence to the underlying oral lore they would supposedly have worked from, and also doesn’t mean that they “didn’t know” about a particular detail. So many of the details that are supposedly missing are so minor that the lack of their inclusion is hardly surprising.

It’s also, yet again, an incredible failure of the reading to basically argue that these important story elements being missing is actually an argument in favor of the reliability of your text. When you have vastly different descriptions that just happen to line up in key ways, one has to essentially assert that the authors are childish buffoons who missed things as important as the city where one of the most important events of their subject’s life took place or what the last word of their subjects were.

I’ll give them credit for cleverness in the vein of “Never admit you have a problem”. God shouldn’t be allowing the holy book to be so incoherent about really basic details. So instead of playing defense, why not play offense and pretend somehow that this record being so clearly haphazard is good for you rather than bad?

Also, doesn’t this argument implicitly concede that the authors of the Gospels couldn’t be the original evangelists? Because they wouldn’t get those details wrong. Later more casual eyewitnesses might, but that would hinge on the Gospel writers relying on second-hand information.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/32376#comment-39731 Tue, 24 Dec 2024 15:59:13 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=32376#comment-39731 In reply to Dr. James Preston.

Yes. It’s under peer review now. Just awaiting their reports or revision lists. Which are due soon.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/32376#comment-39730 Tue, 24 Dec 2024 15:57:15 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=32376#comment-39730 In reply to neilrieck.

Paul had no companion named Luke (much less the author).

And bilingualism was as common then as sliced bread today. No one would think it miraculous.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/32376#comment-39729 Tue, 24 Dec 2024 15:53:53 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=32376#comment-39729 In reply to Simon Byers.

Lol. Spellcheck verified that so I missed it. Thanks! Fixed.

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By: Simon Byers https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/32376#comment-39728 Tue, 24 Dec 2024 13:54:52 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=32376#comment-39728 Typo on line 1?

The Argument from Undesigned Coincides

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By: neilrieck https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/32376#comment-39727 Tue, 24 Dec 2024 12:44:09 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=32376#comment-39727 “I think” Paul of Tarsus was keeping a lid on alternative narratives, including those of his companion, Luke, when he wrote “When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.” After Paul died, there was no moderator for these other views which allowed the creation of the four gospels, as well as some of the wacky things published in the book of Acts. IMHO. the bilingualism of educated scholars was explained to the uneducated as the miracle of “speaking in tongues”

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By: Dr. James Preston https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/32376#comment-39724 Mon, 23 Dec 2024 23:33:24 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=32376#comment-39724 When can we expect your next edition regarding the current scholarship on the historicity of Jesus? Some months back you mentioned the manuscript was sent to the publisher. Is it still undergoing peer review? Thank you & looking forward to ordering your next book.

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