Comments on: My Monthly Recommendation: Ayer and Polanyi https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/32725 Announcing appearances, publications, and analysis of questions historical, philosophical, and political by author, philosopher, and historian Richard Carrier. Wed, 15 Jan 2025 23:51:06 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/32725#comment-39943 Wed, 15 Jan 2025 20:16:08 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=32725#comment-39943 In reply to Danny Loyd Hardesty.

Indeed Ayer is building on that to say that “their use in language” is always to define truth-conditions when truth claims are made. In other words, when making any statement that can be true or false, the conditions that would verify that it is true or false are identical to the entire meaning of the statement. Consequently, what a statement means is the means of determining whether it is true.

That said, I think you will be most delighted by one of my favorite articles on the internet (and IMO one of the most useful): 37 Ways That Words Can Be Wrong

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/32725#comment-39942 Wed, 15 Jan 2025 20:11:42 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=32725#comment-39942 In reply to Mario Marrufo.

To be clear, “proposition” is a technical term in the philosophy of semantics and epistemology. It does not refer to spoken or written sentences, but to the semantic content of those sentences. And it is distinguished from other expressions (like screaming, laughing, facial expressions) by having a truth value.

As such, metaphors are propositions. They have discernible truth values. In fact, that is what gives them their semantic meaning in the first place (thus metaphors could not work—they could never signify anything—if they weren’t propositions).

Meanwhile, “positive sum logic” isn’t a thing. You must be confusing “positive sum thinking” which is not a logic for analyzing propositions but a logic for designing situations, so “Aristotle’s logic” has nothing to do with “positive sum thinking” whereas his political and economic systems describe “positive sum thinking”…using Aristotelian logic.

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By: Mario Marrufo https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/32725#comment-39941 Wed, 15 Jan 2025 19:50:09 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=32725#comment-39941 Condolences, Dr. Carrier!

People don’t speak (solely) in propositions! They (mostly) speak in metaphors! Metaphors run on positive sum logic! Not unlike quantum entanglement, Mendelian genetics, human interaction (game theory), and epistemology itself (Bayes’ Theorem)! We can do all the Aristotelian logic we want within positive sum logic, but we always have to match the correct “analysis” to the correct “domain”! I compare it (using Aristotelian logic to analyze the positive sum logic actual world) to pushing water around with the floor squeegee! You push the water in a straight line, and some of it goes down the drain, but a lot of it keeps going around the sides! You can’t just go over it once! You need to attack it from every angle repeatedly! It’s not particularly “efficient”! Anyway, I bet Polanyi’s “critique” of Marxism is super fun! I don’t know how you “critique” Marxism without going through the revolution and the dictatorship of the proletariat yourself, but whatever!

“love is a battlefield” is a metaphor, not a proposition! As such, it has almost limitless dimensions of meaning! I suppose all these meanings can be put in the form of propositions, but that wasn’t exactly the original point of the metaphor! We are “machines” for manufacturing “meaning,” for drawing meaning out of meaninglessness! You need materialist dialectics to distinguish between essence and phenomenon! Between form and content! Between particles and waves! Between information and meaning! Because these are distinguished based on stepwise processes (i.e., investigation)! Not strictly on how they “appear”! But most importantly, when we do philosophy, we need to get our own ego out of the way by nailing it to a piece of wood! Otherwise, we won’t be able to see past the ego! We’ll think it’s everywhere ’cause it’ll be everywhere we look!

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By: Danny Loyd Hardesty https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/32725#comment-39940 Wed, 15 Jan 2025 19:36:16 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=32725#comment-39940 Good article! I cannot count the number of times I see on social media where disputants use entirely different meanings (think–defund the police–or open borders) and argue past one another not even understanding that they are failing to clash as they are using different meanings for the words in their posts. One of my favorite writers is Wittgenstein who noted in paragraph 43 of Philosophical Investigations that meanings are defined by their use in language–or at least in some cases.

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