So I have reduced you to random babbling?

Ah c’mon, we know you got a lose relationship with the truth, but this “miracles in the koran” defense game is ridiculous…

Funny. It looks to me like we are accomplishing every goal we set out to: harassment is openly discussed and policies exist everywhere against it and people are everywhere denouncing it; the interests of women, minorities, the poor, and the disabled are now widely talked about and even being accommodated online and at events; we have created harassment-free safe spaces for those groups to communicate; the atheist community is now widely discussing all the issues we wanted and taking them seriously (women, feminism, minorities, poverty, and so on); and the concept of “atheism plus humanism plus skepticism” is now standard and endorsed by every national atheist organization, and anyone who rejects the “pluses” (humanism and skepticism) is painted the fool pretty much everywhere.

Dude, we won. And you don’t even seem to realize it. You were a slow-boiled frog, I guess.

Or are you obsessed about the label and ignoring what it labeled? That would be weird, because we have been saying from day one that we don’t care who adopts the label. We only care who adopts the ideals it labels. And right now, that’s the vast majority of the active movement in real space, and a major majority in virtual space. Welcome to Atheism Plus.

God bless?

You aren’t very good at spoofing, are you?

(It’s also a basic rule that a spoof only works when it actually reflects the thing being spoofed, rather than the very thing it is not)

In fact it has inspired me to start a group called Atheism ++.
It is Atheism +, plus we are vegan.

We have lots of haters – I can show you the threats and harassment from meat eaters. somehow, they feel they can decide for themselves what they eat as if it has nothing to do with atheism.

I ask you – what could be so wrong about having compassion toward animals? You’re right – nothing.
The harassment proves that those against us are evil animal haters.
And, as as the majority of negative feedback we get seems to be from atheists, it proves the majority of atheists must be immoral.

You are either with us or against us.

Oh – before judging, I challenge anyone to find one flaw in this post, and provide citations as to why it is flawed.

You must up-vote this, to denounce the harassers and nay-sayers.
If you don’t – that makes you with them: the vile, and against us, the righteous.

God bless.

Since when did we need atheist communities anyway?

Evidently you do. Since you are right here, right now, participating in one.

Isn’t the whole point of being an atheist to reject those one-sided, brainwashing communities?

Humans are social animals. They want to hang out with friends of like mind, share ideas and resources, and help each other out. That’s not brainwashing. It’s sanity.

To me, this just looks like the first step towards turning atheism into its own religion!

First steps? Wouldn’t that have been when American Atheists was founded? Or FFRF? Or the American Humanist Association? Or the Center for Inquiry? Or every atheist blognetwork ever? Why are those communities not religions? And if you don’t want to have anything to do with them because they are, why are you here, using their resources, participating in one of their forums?

…a place where people can reaffirm their own bullshit ideologies and feel morally and intellectually superior.

You mean like you just did?

If all ideologies are bullshit, then you, too, are a bullshitter. And you are doing the very thing you just claimed to despise.

(Google “hypocrisy.”)

Don’t put labels on everything,

So you are against words and language? Why then are you using them? “How” “dare” “you” “put” “labels” “on” “everything”!

Neither atheism, humanism, skepticism or social justice etc. has any place here, advocating any of it only means you’re fooling yourself and frankly it makes people look stupid, no offense intended.

Advocating for anything worthwhile makes people look stupid? You must think you look stupid, too. You are advocating something. Yet you just said that has no place here, while actively doing it. Here.

(And you think we’re looking stupid?)

If you use the word hater in all seriousness, you are too stupid to be on the internet and the only viable option left is to kill yourself (offense intended)

Oh, you are totally right. I’m convinced. Please send me $1500 via my email address (rcarrier@infidels.org) at Paypal so I can purchase a quality handgun for the purpose. If you do, I promise to seriously consider buying a gun with it and shooting myself for using the word “hater.”

I am by no means a punk kinda guy, but I strongly advice you to give this a listen and share it with your community, it was made just for you people.

Also,
protip: if you use the word hater in all seriousness, you are too stupid to be on the internet and the only viable option left is to kill yourself (offense intended)

I’m not opposed to humanism but that still doesn’t make it a criteria for Atheism

I never said it was. Please watch the video you are commenting on before commenting on it.

I am not defining atheism. I am saying atheists need to also be humanists, or else atheists will be a detriment to themselves and society, not a social good. That is why I call it atheism plus, and not just atheism. I am advocating atheism plus humanism and skepticism.

Atheism is only that, Atheism, it does not come with the bells and whistles of anything else, whether it be moral or not.

“So Nazis and the KKK are okay and we should accept them as sponsors of our conferences and speakers at our events, as long as they embrace atheism?”

I’m not asking for you, or anyone to accept anything I’m asking you to acknowledge the fact that Hitler or the KKK could’ve be Atheists and therefore would be associated with you or me.

“But assuming you do, then you agree humanism is a cult?

And that you should abandon and even attack the values of compassion, reasonableness, and integrity, lest you become a cultist?”

No, I am saying that those things are not apart of Atheism and they are not, nor will they ever be, and you propitiate them as if they are and that to join your group you (your participants) must agree and display these characteristics and that if you don’t you will be condemned by you and (most likely) your constituents.

You don’t have to be compassionate or intelligent or benevolent to an Atheist, you could be horrible, despicable person who kills people or plots world domination and be an Atheist, of course I would condemn that person for being that way (me not protesting would be just as bad as endorsing it) but I wouldn’t say “this person isn’t an Atheist” or anything of the sort that, they in fact are.