Comments on: The Josephus Testimonium: Let’s Just Admit It’s Fake Already https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7437 Announcing appearances, publications, and analysis of questions historical, philosophical, and political by author, philosopher, and historian Richard Carrier. Mon, 22 Jul 2024 18:59:57 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7437#comment-38461 Mon, 22 Jul 2024 18:59:57 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7437#comment-38461 In reply to dazzling89a3dc18b6.

Your comment is unintelligible.

I cannot discern whose argument you are responding to, or what you mean by any of your apparent premises, or how your conclusion follows from them.

Please be more clear.

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By: dazzling89a3dc18b6 https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7437#comment-38451 Sun, 21 Jul 2024 19:30:51 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7437#comment-38451 In reply to favog.

Here is the big problem with this methodology, he has NOT analysed other verses or books to see of this pattern is the same, ie he had just focused on the testimonium and pilate passages and found linguistic difference,but if he did the same with other verses, books he would find the same differences,ergo the pattern is not unique to pilate and TF but to all verses,by focusing on the most famous verses and neglecting all others, bad research,does not prove anything, and actually proves the TF is more genuine.

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By: David Vineyard https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7437#comment-30585 Sun, 26 Jul 2020 03:53:28 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7437#comment-30585 From 2004, I found a good overview of the TF by Marian Hillar: “Flavius Josephus and His Testimony Concerning the Historical Jesus”
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/c812/d3cca71eb6e57692ed9c60f01b2862a71ead.pdf

Interesting point offered is that “Pseudo-Hegesippus version would indicate that the Eusebius source was already a modification introduced by the early Messianic/Christian followers of Jesus “, supporting your possibilitier that Pampulas could have been responsible for the TF interpolation.

I didn’t find a bibliography for your “The End of the Arabic Testimonium” post summarizing Alice Whealey’s (2008) article: “The Testimonium Flavianum in Syriac and Arabic” . I think this is it:
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/f6af/9df7a4668bf26f8a78c2ac5cf57cc88fcf2a.pdf.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7437#comment-30078 Wed, 20 May 2020 19:17:56 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7437#comment-30078 In reply to Anthony.

That’s funny. Because it is your statement just now that is by definition “unprofessional” and establishes you are a “joke.” I answered professionally and with factual accuracy. You responded with no argument at all but mere baseless name calling. And that’s now the story of you.

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By: Anthony https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7437#comment-30060 Mon, 18 May 2020 08:51:37 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7437#comment-30060 In reply to Richard Carrier.

Your answer for the second point is so unprofessional. You are a joke ?

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7437#comment-30034 Sun, 10 May 2020 16:34:50 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7437#comment-30034 In reply to John Oldman.

Please identify any argument in it that I have not already refuted and then I’ll address those argument(s). Otherwise, it has already been refuted thereat.

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By: John Oldman https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7437#comment-30025 Sat, 09 May 2020 01:26:43 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7437#comment-30025 Dr. Carrier, what do you think about this article by John H. Rhoads?

https://www.etsjets.org/files/JETS-PDFs/54/54-1/JETS_54-1_65-87_Rhoads.pdf

He argues that it was Josephus, not Luke, who misdated Quirinius’s census. It’s from 2011, but I couldn’t find any critic review, just a few apologist ones.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7437#comment-27994 Thu, 23 May 2019 17:11:45 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7437#comment-27994 In reply to Dan.

That’s how probability works: we have all presented abundant evidence it’s very unlikely Josephus would write this, ergo it’s unlikely he did. Ample peer reviewed scholarship concurs. The alternative argument has zero evidence in its support and contradicts obvious probabilities. That is what Christians do. They don’t argue from demonstrable probabilities, but try to pass off possibilities as probabilities. Which is the opposite of logical.

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By: Dan https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7437#comment-27987 Tue, 21 May 2019 06:11:07 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7437#comment-27987 I think your arguments here are pretty soft as far as the whole thing being a forgery. The article boils dow to “Josephus wouldn’t say those things because he just wouldn’t, and others agree with me. So there.” That’s hardly evidence. I’m surprised because that’s the same thing that atheists criticize christians for – self affirming sources. I kinda doubt you’ll post this comment since it doesn’t pay you on the back like the others. But here goes…

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7437#comment-26810 Tue, 13 Nov 2018 16:08:37 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7437#comment-26810 In reply to Charles McGuyer.

And yet James is given no patronymic. Nor Jesus here. IMO, this would sooner argue that Josephus did give the patronymic: Damneus. And that this was dropped to be replaced with “called Christ” by a scribe mistaking the marginal note for a correction.

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