I still hear the myth repeated that “scientists” proved the ancient city of Sodom was in fact destroyed by a meteor, and this therefore became the basis of the Sodom & Gomorrah legend in the Bible. But that never happened. The science has been proved fraudulent. And those “scientists” were Christian creationists all along. We have to conclude it was a scam to steal scientific legitimacy by getting a bogus scientific paper through peer review, generating headlines. And as usually happens in our broken information economy, no one got the later, less-sensational memo that it was all debunked. Everyone hears the first headlines, and that becomes the urban legend ever after. “Common knowledge” as it were. Trying to get this false information out of that database of common knowledge can be a slog.
Is It That Bad?
The original story was so sensational it made it all the way into Forbes (“A Massive Meteor May Have Destroyed The Biblical City Of Sodom”). And it began with a published study in Scientific Reports (affiliated in some sense with Nature, “A Tunguska sized airburst destroyed Tall el‑Hammam a Middle Bronze Age city in the Jordan Valley near the Dead Sea”). But that was debunked by a team of scientists in an article in the same venue a year later (“No mineralogic or geochemical evidence of impact at Tall el-Hammam, a Middle Bronze Age city in the Jordan Valley near the Dead Sea” also available at NIH). The only evidence (as opposed to mere assertions) presented for the claim was that some scattered micromaterials that underwent high heat were recovered at the site—but not in any concentration or quantity as would entail a total destruction of the city. In fact (per the refutation), “the presence of ultra-high-temperature mineral phases and geochemical enrichments in melts” cannot be distinguished by the methods used “in the context of archeological debris where our ancestors had access to ceramic and smelting technologies.” In other words, all they found was evidence of ceramic and smelting industries. There was no other evidence.
As the debunking team pointed out (emphasis mine):
Much of the melt glass presented in their study is closely associated with pottery; many specimens are pieces of remelted ceramics like one might find in spoils and dumps; and many examples they provide to demonstrate ultra-high temperatures, such as the formation of baddeleyite rims on zircon and the embayment of refractory phases by dissolution in hot melts, are well-documented in ancient slags.
Likewise, the evidence the paper claimed of geologic shock in various microminerals does not differ from that normally expected from tectonic activity just about anywhere. The authors make the corresponding methodological point that the suspect study adduced no evidence capable of ruling these alternative conclusions out. That means this evidence is equally expected on both hypotheses—or worse, because they document many ways the evidence presented does not look like it should if produced in the way alleged, but rather look exactly like the usual ways they are made. And since these are vastly more frequent phenomena, the conclusion of any kind of astrophysical destruction doesn’t even have a significant prior probability. It therefore is to be rejected as a conclusion.
It’s Actually Worse
In no way should this have even passed peer review, even after allowing for the peer reviewers to be taken in by fraudulently represented data, as also documented by the debunking team. For the original paper was caught altering data to produce these fraudulent results (Retraction Watch, “Journal investigating Sodom comet paper for data problems”).
And its authors turn out to be shady as fuck. One of its main authors was a professor of Biblical Archaeology at Trinity Southwest University, “which describes itself as ‘a trans-denominational institution in the evangelical mainstream of the historic Christian Faith’ that has ‘chosen to remain non-aligned’ with respect to ‘traditional accreditation’,” and “Its address appears to be located in a strip mall between a cannabis dispensary and a bubble tea shop in Albuquerque.” Yeah. For realz. His PhD is likewise bogus (awarded by that same unaccredited “school”). Another main author was literally a con artist, “who, in 2002, was fined by California and convicted for masquerading as a state-licensed geologist when he charged small-town officials fat fees for water studies,” and is even suspected of faking this particular kind of “air burst” data several times before. Oh, and he has no science degrees. At all. Yeah. Seriously.
That guy also appears to be a co-founder of the mysterious “Comet Research Group” that may be the originator of the entire bogus study (see Mark Boslough, “Sodom Meteor Strike Claims Should Be Taken with a Pillar of Salt,” at Skeptical Inquirer), which appears to be itself a pet project of Trinity Southwest University, and another fundamentalist institution, Veritas International University (“formerly Veritas Evangelical Seminary”), which is another “Christian institution in a Santa Ana, California, office park” (founded by none other than Norman Geisler; atheist activists of my generation might remember him). Those are both Biblical fundamentalist institutions. Indeed, according to Wikipedia, VIU is comprised of only three schools, “Veritas College & Seminary, VIU School of Archaeology, and the VIU Norman L. Geisler School of Apologetics.” Yup. Oh, and most of the “authors” listed for the science paper “are all co-founders of the Comet Research Group.” And yeah, the CRG is “linked to the Rising Light Group,” a “charitable organization with a clear Christian and biblical agenda,” registered in the con artist’s name (see Elisabeth Bik, “Blast in the Past: Image concerns in paper about comet that might have destroyed Tall el-Hammam,” at Science Integrity Digest).
On top of all that, several of these articles uncover the fact that the CRG isn’t just a dubious Biblical apologetics outfit, but might also itself be a con (of a kind we often encounter in religious institutions): its mission and promotional materials seem all directed at drumming up fears of comet and meteor destructions of modern cities in order to raise money (see its now-defunct Indiegogo page, which shows $35,000 raised, but who knows how much they gulled through other channels—or still are). The sensational headlines they won from “finding” a “Biblical” destruction of a city seem then aimed at simple greed: it could all be part of a promotional operation for earning donation money. That this kind of con is exactly what one of the authors was convicted of before, and that’s the same guy who seems to be behind the whole CRG in general and even this study in particular, only lends credence to that suspicion.
But of course it also worked out for Christian propagandists, who are still using this claim to promote their beliefs—without any mention of it having been debunked. And I must say, deep shame falls on John Bergsma and Steven Collins there. In fact, this Collins (another pseudoscientist with a fake PhD from a fake school) appears to have provided the impetus for this entire fraud, as he has been making bogus “air burst” and other claims (outside of peer review) about the archaeology at Tall el-Hammam since at least 2011. This Collins is intimately connected with the study’s authors (as documented, among other damning things, by Paul Braterman in “Tall el-Hammam; an airburst of gullibility; it gets worse”)
And indeed, now this fraudulent study is being used to claim “Sodom” has at last been found right where Collins claimed—when in fact we have no reason to believe Tall-el-Hammam was Sodom, but for this new bogus claim of astrophysical destruction. In fact there is no evidence there ever was a Sodom, even in the mundane sense; and what evidence there is, makes Tall el-Hammam in fact unlikely to be it (see Todd Bolen, “Arguments Against Locating Sodom at Tall el-Hammam,” at Bible History Daily, a blog of the Biblical Archaeology Society).
My Own Observations
The published debunking has focused on easily proved examples of data manipulation and bad methodology, and the dubious backgrounds and agendas of its producers. But I think a few other things have been overlooked that warrant more attention from experts.
For example, I think the evidence overall has a lower likelihood on the impact theory, because it predicts other observations should be in evidence: such as evidence of the physical destruction-by-fire-and-blast of all structures in the same stratigraphic layer in a radial or lateral pattern (as even claimed by Collins; but alas, they evidently couldn’t fake up photos good enough for that to include in the study, which just quietly pretends he never said it)—and a shit ton of human and animal bones. The city was destroyed, but all the evidence they claim is remarkable about that isn’t—it all looks like the product of ordinary human destruction (by fire, battle, and demolition, and subsequent continuing decay); it is not the kind of wide-scale radial or lateral slagging, scattering, and crushing expected from a nuclear-scale blast (despite such false claims having been made outside the published results of this study, such as by Collins).
Which brings us back to the bones. If an entire city was laid waste in an instant, and then abandoned for hundreds of years as these authors claim, then most of the corpses (particularly of animals) won’t likely have gone anywhere; they would have been buried all at once by the fallout of dust, ash, rubble, and debris. Any that were still exposed might be weathered away, eaten by scavengers, or buried by near-enough villagers, but quite a lot should still be there, unreachable but to archaeology. In fact even the mass graves that could have been dug for the population there should still be there. And they would not be blasted apart or turned to ash or “disarticulated” or converted into bone fragments as this study’s authors claim.
As we know from the Tunguska incident (photos), even trees were not incinerated or blasted apart, and wood is weaker (and has a far lower immolation point) than bone. We also have the horrifying example of Hiroshima, which confirms this. People are not incinerated. They are rarely even blasted apart. They are simply burned across the exterior and crushed by the pressure wave, ravaging internal organs but not skeletons as much. Most are not “dismembered” or “disarticulated” as the authors imply. And yet these authors still only found…ten human skeletons (I am not kidding: “Tunguska,” pp. 44–46), and not a single intact animal skeleton (where are all the dead cattle, pigs, and sheep?). And despite their insistence to the contrary, on their own information those human skeletons only show forensic signs of being killed by ordinary fire or combat. There should be a hell of a lot more bodies amidst a radially or laterally collapsed rubble, particularly of animals.
That no such evidence was found actually argues against the blast theory. Instead, this study’s authors make a bunch of dubious claims about salt encrusting the bones, and lots of salt being around in the abandoned layer, which does not even make scientific sense. Such a blast would not “create” salt, nor have “sucked” salt inward from the Dead Sea—it would have blown it away from the blast, and in fact have reduced its concentration here. And their own report shows that the concentrations they claim to have found (but provide no documentation for) were common enough even today (“Tunguska,” pp. 49–50, w. fig. 49).
We won’t expect to find an impact crater, of course, because the theory advanced was of an airburst. But these other effects should still be expected. Exactly as in other cases (most famously, the Tunguska airburst). And apart from countless assertions made without supporting photographic evidence or even descriptions of methodology (How did they get their salt data? What procedures were used? At what locations did they take samples? How did they take samples? How did they test their samples? Their study never says), none of the expected evidence appears to be there. They make claims. But they don’t document them. And the claims they do document, have been proved a fraud. The paper seems therefore written to create the appearance of having found all the things they claim, without ever backing that up as actually having happened.
Not Just Scientists but Historians Should Be Vetting This
I’m a historian. My skill-set teaches me something the scientific critics might not have thought to do: to check this paper’s citations on historical data. Because its authors also claim a coterminous disinhabitation of the whole region around, but cite no evidence for that claim—because all their footnotes point to peer-reviewed articles and books that say no such thing, except one that is itself bogus: Steven Collins’s fake dissertation. Which suggests experts need to check all of their citations for validity. I notice at a glance many are, indeed, to questionable publications by Steven Collins, for example. So their bibliography might be loaded with all kinds of padding or questionable sources. It certainly contains bullshit.
As in this case. For their “massive coterminous disinhabitation” claim they cite (but identify no pertinent page number in) Mo ‘Awiyah Ibrahim, James Abbott Sauer, Khair Yassine, “The East Jordan Valley Survey, 1975,” Bulletin of the American Schools of Oriental Research 222 (April 1976), pp. 41-66. I read that all through. Nowhere does it say there was any instantaneous disinhabiting of the same valley, or even disinhabiting at all. It merely says there was a settlement decline in the Middle Bronze Age III (1650–1550 B.C.) that started recovering in the Late Bronze Age I (1550–1450 B.C.). That decline wasn’t even a hundred years long, much less the “hundreds” of years the paper claims, and it was only a decline. The valley remained inhabited, and thus evidently agriculturally sound (contrary to these authors’ assertions). They must want us to mistake sentences like “Many of the MB II sites…were not reoccupied in the Late Bronze period” (“Survey,” p. 54) as saying “All,” and to imagine a hundred-year-long slouch as a single day. Moreover, that survey reports the slouch spanned the entire Jordan valley, all the way to the Sea of Galilee, and not just the area supposedly blasted. They also only found a burn layer for the Late Bronze Age I, and only at Tell el-Mazar, thirty miles away from Tall el-Hammam. Wrong place. Wrong century.
That paper was also quite old. The study’s most recent citation on this claim (also without page number) is to Khair Yassine’s Tell Nimrin: An Archaeological Exploration (University of Jordan, 2011). I don’t have immediate access to that, but I did find out that Yassine’s earlier reports on which that study is based (according to David Graves at Deus Artefacta) said “The 500 year gap of occupation from ca. 1500 to 1000 B.C. [LB/IA] must be due to significant sociopolitical and/or environmental phenomena that remain to be explained.” This might be the right place (Tell Nimrin is eight miles, a three hour walk, away from Tall el-Hammam; the Tunguska blast did span as much as twenty miles), but it is definitely the wrong century: this decline starts 150 years after these authors claim for the blast event. And, notably, this illustrates a regional decline in inhabitance not due to a blast from space—so we have ample reason to suspect a similar cause anywhere else we find the same effect. No need for blasts from space.
Their other sources illustrate the sham.
- They cite Collins’ fake PhD pushing this very same Sodom-blast theory (all the way back in 2016). Well, that’s bullshit.
- They cite Yassine, who as I just noted actually contradicts what they cited that for.
- And they cite another survey report by Ibrahim’s team, a 1976 survey of that same valley, which I couldn’t check but I am doubtful it says anything different on this point from their 1975 survey, for two reasons…
First, because that’s what a more recent report says (A.M. Maeir, “‘In the Midst of the Jordan’: The Jordan Valley during the Middle Bronze Age (ca. 2000–1500 BCE) — Archaeological and Historical Correlates,” Contributions to the Chronology of the Eastern Mediterranean, vol. 26 (2010), esp. pp. 161–75), which references that 1976 survey among its evidence. Meier concludes that “there is no evidence for destruction at the end of the [Middle Bronze Age] at all sites in the Jordan Valley” and “not all of the late MB strata at sites in the Jordan Valley end simultaneously” and “most of the larger sites in the Jordan Valley display a strong degree of continuity between the MB and the LB, even after the late MB destructions” (p. 169), and “the radiometric dates from several sites indicate a mid-to-late 16th century B.C.E. date for end of the relevant MB III strata,” which is actually Late Bronze Age I, circa 1550–1500; up to which nearby Jericho also flourished (p. 165), yet, like Nimrin, it would have depended on agriculture in the southern valley exactly where this bogus study claims agriculture is supposed to have ceased because of “too much salt.”
The second reason I suspect the 1976 Ibrahim-team survey didn’t say anything differently is because the only other source the bogus study cites is J.W. Flanagan and D.W. McCreery, “First Preliminary Report of the 1989 Tell Nimrin Project,” Annual of the Department of Antiquities of Jordan 34 (1990), pp. 131–152, which corroborates again Yassine, not the bogus study. First, this is only a study of Tell Nimrin (not the whole valley). Second, this also says that the evidence is clear that this Tell was well inhabited all the way to 1500, thus evidently not noticing the el-Hammam blast for over a century.
I have to conclude these authors are using fraudulent citations for their claims. And if so in this case, I can expect so in others. With so much evidence of fraud around this paper now, I think we can be certain not a single claim in it is to be trusted.
What to Learn
Unfortunately, this example illustrates the fact that we cannot trust anything that sounds suspicious. You should always check to make sure its evidence holds up, and that it has survived legitimate scrutiny. Even if it appears in a prestigious science journal of all places.
I give advice for this in From Lead Codices to Mummy Gospels: Essential Links on Dubious Tales and A Vital Primer on Media Literacy. As of a year ago, Nature advises that “Readers are alerted that concerns raised about the data presented and the conclusions of this article are being considered by the Editors. A further editorial response will follow the resolution of these issues.” Nothing has happened since, even though we know that journal can quickly retract fraudulent articles (such as a similar bogus claim made for ancient Cincinnati, which was published in 2022, debunked in 2023, and retracted almost immediately thereafter). It appears that this one is hanging on out of respect for the religious, or in result of the manipulation of the con artist—who literally was on the editorial board of that journal until a month or so before this article was published. Oh. Right. Did I forget to mention that? A con artist was on that journal’s board of editors, and resigned possibly only a month or so before it published his fraudulent paper. Not a good look for that journal, I’d say.
Fraud has unfortunately become rampant in the scientific community (a problem I’ve noted before; see also my discussion of The Korean “Comfort Women” Dust-Up and the Function of Peer Review in History). And it is not being adequately policed. Which means we all need to be critical thinkers, and learn how to vet the quality or merits even of a peer reviewed study.
Peer review still matters. It weeds out most garbage and is adequate more often than not. It proves that we should at least take what passes seriously, in the sense that it is then worth our time to vet. But that still leaves the possibility of exploits sneaking through the gap. To check that does not require us to be experts in those fields of study; it only requires us to look for expert critiques of suspect papers and to be smart enough to follow logic in evaluating the arguments of either side, to see who is playing games, and who is being straight with us. Sadly, “suspect papers” now means pretty much any paper whose results haven’t been independently replicated. But I give advice on how to vet peer-reviewed work as lay readers in Galatians 1:19, Ancient Grammar, and How to Evaluate Expert Testimony and On Evaluating Arguments from Consensus, both of which are on Biblical history subjects but their principles can be adapted to any science or field of study.
Fortunately we had many competent experts addressing and exposing this fraud and the agendas of its perpetrators. But it does not seem that news of this having happened is getting much attention. So hopefully my summary will be of help.
I’m loving your posts lately. Learning lots (as usual). Good stuff!
Most readers would entirely miss your slight of hand. The original paper alleged an airburst, which would NOT have had any impact sites, but the “debunking” paper was all about saying “hey there is no impact crater”, which OBVIOUSLY would not happen with an airburst. An airburst, like the one at Chelyabinsk (or Tunguska), would have done damage with the shock wave from the supersonic explosion causing buildings damage, causing lamps and fires in pots to tip over and begin a wildfire across the community. So you will have to come up with a better debunking than that. The retort doesn’t even address the event attested in the original paper.
Now, I’m not saying that it happened either, but your debunking is even shoddier science than the original paper, and very deceptive.
The responses never mention craters. And I myself already point this out (that this is the one evidence we don’t expect here, and everyone agrees with that). And the debunking relates to completely different facts than that.
So…start over. Actually read this article this time. Then respond to it.
Thanks Richard. Always amazed at how unscrupulous these apologists really are. I know, should not be amazed any longer, it’s so blatant and so consistent that we should just expect it. I know that every time I come to your site, I’m going to learn something new, I sincerely appreciate your efforts to educate.
Pfft. Next you will be telling us the Knights Templar didn’t drop a runestone in the middle of a Wisconsin field in the 14th century, and go on to induct the Ojibway elders into the Freemasons.
Or that ancient Egyptians didn’t really use CNC machining to encode secret messages for us into the impossibly precise dimensions of funerary vessels dug up and sold secretly to private collectors.
Or that Mars will be colonized in cans launched from South Texas.
To be fair, the general claim (that an astrophysical airburst destroyed a city once) is more plausible than those analogies.
Those analogies only become apposite when we add their specific claim that a lot of salt somehow was caused by this. Then we are in crazytown.
All three of those have substantial followings. Only the third is likely to cause any serious suffering. When crowds of genuinely interested people are taken in, real archaeologists, historians, and scientists tragically make vicious fun of them, driving them away, where they could, instead, be gently steered to become a whole new audience eager to learn not less interesting legitimate results.
Graham Hancock has a knack both for correctly predicting actual discoveries (e.g. pre-agro megalithic construction, and North American end-Pleistocene cataclysm) and for attracting lazy, offputting debunkers. He actually visits the places he writes about, imparts usually correct facts alongside his speculations, and delivers excellent photography. Real researchers could learn a lot from him: few will talk about questions they can only hope will someday be answered, or odd facts inconsistent with favored theory, but lay audiences relish both.
I’m not sure what your point is.
There are only two kinds of people to address here: those who can feel ashamed of being taken in, and those who cannot. The former will not be put off by any kind of debunking, as their resulting shame at being the victim of disinformation will compel them to abandon it. But the latter can almost never be convinced, for the very reason that they feel no shame.
Hence the only way they can be convinced is without any appeal to shame, but using their anger against them. They must be shocked into cognitive dissonance until their anger compels them to try and prove us wrong and they find out they are wrong—or it fails to do even that, in which case no reason or evidence will ever change their mind.
Our only recourse then is to marginalize them with ridicule to reduce their social influence and thus staunch the spread of the infection, just as we do white supremacists, Scientologists, and lizard-people theorists. Remove their respectability, especially their pretense of it. Take away their stolen glory.
I’ve been doing this for thirty years. I have met hundreds of the deconverted. I even polled a large audience of them once. The “just be nice” approach converts almost no one. The “pissing them off” approach has secured nearly every deconvert I have ever met.
Ridicule is powerful for a reason. That is why disinformationists try to use it illegitimately—because it works. But moral people only use ridicule legitimately. And that means: that which you ridicule has to actually be ridiculous. Then it is merely radical honesty. In any other application, it is a delusion or a lie. Such as when manospherists and white supremacists try to ridicule their ridiculers.
Anchor yourself in reality with a reliable epistemology and you will be immune to this for the right reasons; while the delusional and the liars are only ever immune to it for the wrong reasons, and for that veyt reason, they are immune to every other form of persuasion as well.
For more, see my discussion in Katherine Cross on Tone Policing.
In Islamic sources, I was taught,
Some scholars say a plate of earth came up in the sky , flipped upside down and landed on the entire sodom and gomorrah towns. Not a volcano or earthquake..
If you find the source for that claim do post it here.
It is not scientifically plausible of course (such an event would leave unmistakable geological evidence). But it can be interesting to find out when and by whom these legends arise.
BTW, inverted strata are a thing in geology. In California, at the juncture of the continental plates (the San Andreas fault), there are entire sections of the land that have broken free and rolled over, thus inverting the geologic history of the Earth.
Alas, this was never on a scale of space or time that could destroy even a town much less a city.
He is close to what is said in the Islamic tradition but not 100%.
What is said in the Islamic tradition is that the angel Gabriel either lifted the people of the towns and their animals or the plate of earth (of course implied, there it’s mentioned that he lifted the towns) including the people and their animals on it on his wing, ascended with them into the sky, flipped them upside down then threw them back to the earth (I can’t believe I used to believe in this for 27 years 🤦♂️).
As for the source, it’s attributed in Tafsir (exegesis) books to some of the students of the prophet’s companions (2nd generation Muslims who saw the disciples of the prophet). These students of the prophet’s companions include Mujahid ibn Jabr and Qatada ibn Di’ama.
One such tafsir book which makes this is Al-Tabari when he was interpreting verse 53 in chapter 53 in the Quran and another is Ibn Kathir when he was interpreting the same verse.
I have diligently looked online to provide links to them but it looks like both are not translated into English (frustrating, especially Al-Tabari as it is widely considered to be the most important exegesis of the Quran ever).
Please let me know if you want more information on this Dr. Carrier.
Dr. Carrier my apologies in advance. I’m not intentionally trying to hijack this (or any particular) blog artcile with something completely unrelated (which this is), its just that I don’t see a relavant place to ask this crazy question.
Anyway I’m curious if were aware of all the trending talk concerning “How often men (supposedly) think about the Roman Empire”, that is being spread on TikTok and people such as Jordan Peterson.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2023/09/18/how-often-do-men-think-about-the-roman-empire-a-lot-according-to-new-tiktok-trend/?sh=60b485ff4a38
I have my own theories about it. That it is part power of suggestion, part subliminal thought from the recent discussion itself being spread, and part because we are mostly a Christian nation where the Roman Empire is central to the story around the death of Jesus.
But I’m curious if you have any thoughts on this, or if this could be something that you might’ve considered as a topic for one of your upcoming blog articles.
Lol. I was not aware even Jordan Peterson was on the trend.
I don’t have any confident ideas about this, and thus nothing to blog usefully about.
Partly because I have no real data (anecdotes aren’t data; this phenom seems highly prone to availability bias: like with astrology, you only hear from the people who say yes), and partly because I am not all that interested in it (statistically there will always be something lots of people think about, even if what that is is selected at random, e.g. say there are a million things people could think about, and a hundred million people: odds are one of those million things will be thought about by a million of those people, just by chance distribution; it’s called clustering), and partly because I have no direct access to the needed psych data (I actually am a historian of the Roman Empire, so I can’t have much direct insight as to why someone who isn’t that is obsessed with the Roman Empire; I can only speak to why I was interested in it, and it doesn’t seem the same reason so far as I’ve heard, e.g. I went into Roman socio-intellectual history, not military-political).
Really, to answer it, psychologists need to determine the actual size of the phenomenon (how many men do this, and how often actually), and then case-interview their way to adducing hypotheses why, i.e. you need to actually talk to these guys, and a diverse lot of them, and get their psych and demo profiles, to see if there is any trend (do only certain kinds of men do this, or is there no predictor; and what do these men say is their reason, and are there any commonalities; etc.), and then that hypothesis has to be tested by some instrument (which would depend on what the hypothesis was).
So that’s three scientific studies, probably costing upwards of a quarter or a half million dollars altogether.
So odds are we will not really know even if the phenomenon is real, much less what caused it.
The matter is complicated by the incongruity of public evidence: e.g. there is no trend for producing movies or TV shows about the Roman Empire (in fact it is surprisingly rare a subject there); but there is for superhero movies. Do guys think about superheroes proportionately more than the Roman Empire? Or what if you asked men if they think about cowboys a lot? Would the statistical response differ from the Roman Empire? Also, is there a variance by race? (Do hispanic or black or asian men think about the Roman Empire as much as white men; or is this a white man thing?)
But if I had to place an office bet on it right now just for fun, and there were dozens of squares to bet on each with a different hypothesis, I wouldn’t bet much, but I’d place my bet on “the phenomenon isn’t real; it’s a statistical anomaly” in all the ways I just suggested, and therefore there is no causal hypothesis.
I might place a smaller hedge bet on “the RE is mythically believed to be the purest white-man’s manly man-man empire in history; and American men cling to such myths in the face of challenges to or under-usage of their masculinity in modern society.”
Speculatively, this is also the appeal of Westerns and the cowboy myth, but there it is closer to post-apocalyptic fantasies (Mad Max; The Walking Dead), since it was a state of chaos and rugged independence rather than order and power. So to fantasize about the latter, the RE is pretty much all that one could choose (outside fantasy worlds altogether; e.g. how often do men think of The Lord of the Rings?).
For example, the British Empire has too much stigma of villainy upon it (we went to war with them after all—three times, if you count their support for the South in the Civil War; they even burned the white house to the ground in 1812) and carries an air of unmanliness (the British aristocracy has never had a manly rep), and is “too soon” (its global war crimes are still in living memory). Likewise the Chinese Empire is wholly untaught and thus unknown to American men (and also, not “white enough,” and whiteness is associated with power even by nonwhite populations). And so on.
One can look at it the other way around, too: why do women not think about the Roman Empire much? (Assuming that is the case; again, it hasn’t really yet been shown to be.)
I would wager it is because there is no narrative for them there (women had almost no major role to play in the RE’s history, certainly as taught to Americans, so the women of the RE and their roles and heroism has been narratively invisible, and even when visible, depressing). In short, the RE is a narrative of women’s subordination to men; not an attractive target of fantasy for the oppressed. Whereas the RE is the ultimate white-man’s power fantasy.
The lack of organizing narratives for women’s heroism and triumph is actually one of the cultural critiques that has occupied analysis of the last forty years or so. One might find something close in Jane Austen (how many women think about any Jane Austen story or character every day?), because she writes women so well, particularly as facing their sexist societies with courage and ingenuity.
But I don’t in my experience see that to have become as universally appealing as the RE to men. I know lots of women in that category; but also quite a lot who are not, and even disdain the category or find nothing in it that speaks to them. So women’s target fantasies seem fragmented right now, whereas men seem readier to rally around more widely shared fantasies. But this could all be misperception on my part. I have no more hard data for this than for the RE thing. So I don’t really have anything confident or reliable to say.
Beyond the Biblical literalism, suspicion or outright denial of human caused climate change seems to be an underlying theme in many of the comet impact hypothesis type guys.
I should begin by making a couple disclaimers: 1. I am an atheist, and 2. I am not a professional archaeologist, but just an extremely keen amateur. So I have no vested interests in the realities of any particular myths about Sodom currently.
That said I have volunteered to dig at Tall al Hammam on several occasions, all prior to the Covid pandemic occurring. I choose this site because it was, at the time of occupation, the largest site in the Levant. And because of its location on the east bank in Jordan it hadn’t been properly excavated before. I suppose I was also intrigued by a possible Sodom connection. As a site bigger even than Hazor was, it would have been a dominant force in the region during its period of occupation and would likely have left a significant imprint in the minds of local Canaanites.
I have not been involved enough in the analysis and interpretation of the evidence to comment intelligently on the claims made. Whilst nice people, the team leading the digs clearly are evangelical in nature and have an agenda to prove the site is Sodom. And I do share the concern of many in the profession that the evangelical interpretation is more likely to force facts to fit the agenda, than to conform understanding to fit the facts. But I trust science to sort it out over time.
Whilst the credibility of the science is to be debated, I would suggest that from what I saw there was some very good archaeology done under the supervision of key archaeologists from Jordan’s antiquities department. I have met with many of them personally, and they are all intrigued by the site generally. There was always someone there to supervise, and often the Jordanian archaeologists were on their knees troweling out mud bricks the same as the rest of us. There were many other very interesting finds that will certainly keep archaeologists busy for many years to come.
Airburst event or not, one thing that has made me think whilst on the digs is that a city of such significance would surely have made a big impact. It is also interesting that the 1650s BCE destruction layer, which I personally dug, was carbon dated and the site (again for whatever reason) was inexplicably abandoned for at least 600 years. Which is interesting as Jericho – directly across the valley – was not. I am also intrigued by the partial Akkadian poem found and translated by Archibald Sayce that seems to indicate there may work outside the biblical narrative for belief in a city destroyed by some event, as told by a survivor. Although that too many be more mythology than reality.
In any case, I think it is also worth pointing out that there is strong debate even amongst the evangelicals as to whether Tall el Hammam is biblical Sodom. Many feel the time and dating isn’t right to fit the biblical narrative as they understand it, and many still favor the view Sodom would have been south of the Dead Sea.
I do hold out hope that another team will go to Tall el Hammam with fresh eyes and better science to get an improved perspective on the archaeology. It is a very important site.
Note that Sayce was an early Biblical literalist of the 19th century (his translation of that poem was published in the 1870s), the least reliable source to consult today. We would need to find and consult a more objective and modern translation and commentary, which would require an actual identification of that Akkadian tablet (Sayce gives no accession number or anything by which to locate it now). But a lot of Biblical myths are copies of earlier myths from surrounding cultures (like the Flood), and those aren’t historical either. The “500 year gap of occupation” is already addressed in my article. It cannot be due to an astronomical catastrophe, as the surrounding data indicate and actual experts conclude.