The Review of Biblical Literature recently published a brief “review” of Jesus from Outer Space by William Chavez (RBL 03/2024). It is quite useless as a review, because it merely complains about aesthetics, ignores the academic study the book summarizes, and (as usual) makes false claims about it. You won’t learn from this review what JFOS is for, or even why Chavez is reviewing that and not On the Historicity of Jesus, the actual academic study. This was indeed the very reason I avoided writing a popmarket book on the subject for so long, despite countless public requests for one: I knew academics would dishonestly straw-man the case by then ignoring the real study and “complaining” about all the things not in the popmarket version.
Aesthetics Over Substance
This is exactly what Chavez dishonestly does when he complains that “Carrier provides no footnotes and prioritizes his efforts on popular presentation.” He fails to mention that the footnotes he wants are in the real study he should be reviewing, which did not “prioritize effort on popular presentation.” He instead pretends to his readers that I skipped all that and that this is therefore censurable. This is particularly dishonest because I specifically addressed this concern in JFOS itself. Yet Chavez entirely ignores this sentence on page 9 (despite actually citing that page for an unrelated point):
The complete, sober, academic case … with all the requisite evidence, cited scholarship, footnotes, and apparatus, you will find in the near seven-hundred pages of On the Historicity of Jesus. Here in your hands is a much briefer, more colloquial, but still informative summary of that more serious academic monograph, a concordance to which you’ll find at the end of this book.
In other words, JFOS is not an academic monograph. It is a popular market summary of one, and is deliberately written in a popular (not an academic) style. It did not “omit” footnotes at all: it included a concordance to the academic study and thereby all its footnotes. Once someone realizes this (which they won’t if they just read his review), they will be perplexed at what Chavez is complaining about. Is he really just slagging off all popular market books in existence, by insisting that every one have footnotes and a dry style? Or is he dishonestly misrepresenting a popmarket summary as an academic monograph? Because he claims to “find it productive to engage ‘fringe’ (i.e., nonconsensus) scholarly interpretations of data,” but by this very review explicitly avoids doing that—confronting instead only a colloquial brief and not the actual academic study. That’s avoidance, not engagement.
This oddity illustrates how Chavez’s entire review is really just a bunch of aesthetic rather than academic complaints (he just “wants” pop market books to have footnotes and not concordances to the academic studies that have the footnotes). Often these aesthetic complaints aren’t even factual or logical. For example, he complains that “Carrier proposes himself, in the third-person, as the most prominent skeptic.” The entire book is written in the first person. There is not a single sentence in the main text of the book anywhere that refers to me in the third person. Notice the sentence I quoted above (which he has to be referring to): the subject of that sentence is “The…case” against historicity, not “Richard Carrier.” In that same paragraph, every reference to myself is in the first person (“I’ve also written…in my other peer-reviewed book,” Proving History; “I also reproduced all my peer-reviewed research” in Hitler Homer Bible Christ; “I continue to write on this subject and respond to critics” on my website; here “I have pared down what needs to be said”; “I survey some”; “I survey the overall case”; “I show why”). So Chavez isn’t even telling the truth about the aesthetics of the book.
I also never “propose myself as the most prominent skeptic.” Nowhere on the page he cites. That happens to be true. No one has published as much on the topic as I have, and my work remains seminal to the debate. But that’s never relevant to anything I argue in JFOS so it’s never a point I bring up there. Yet by this snide remark Chavez even implies that my reference to “many scholars” doubting historicity or agreeing doubt is sensible (on page 7) is never backed by any examples. You will not learn from him that I list ten examples (on page 26), including Raphael Lataster’s entire peer reviewed study corroborating mine, another fact Chavez will never mention—instead falsely portraying me as a lone wolf. Of course there are many more. But this illustrates the dishonest mode of the entire review, replacing reliable factual descriptions with biased spin, FOX News style, sowing false beliefs about what I wrote. Chavez complains that he had “hoped Carrier’s latest book would demonstrate” at least the academic “utility” of a student paper, but that only makes honest sense as a complaint if there wasn’t a book meeting that condition—but there is: On the Historicity of Jesus. He is thus literally behaving as if the actual academic study being summarized does not exist.
As another example of this dishonest mode of discourse, Chavez sneers at my frequent mention of what has and hasn’t been “peer reviewed,” essentially implying that that has no value and there is no reason to mention it. This is a standard disingenuous tactic of historicists now, a fallacy of moving the goal posts: for years they complained that Jesus mythicism was just a product of crank amateurs and had never (indeed, could never) pass peer-review; so we published studies of the subject under peer review (and that includes myself and Lataster); but then they pulled a complete 180 and now complain that peer review doesn’t matter and we should stop mentioning it—even though they are the ones who compelled us to mention it, by complaining that we didn’t have it.
Peer review does matter, of course. That’s why they complained before that mythicism wasn’t peer reviewed. They used that as an excuse to dismiss it; but the only validity of that excuse was that peer review serves the purpose of ensuring a study meets the standards of the field and is thus worth the bother of considering, and not dismissing out of hand. All we are doing now is pointing out that that complaint has been met: they have no excuse to ignore our studies now; and they can no longer straw-man mythicism by falsely equating the publications of cranks and amateurs with what are now real academic studies. Chavez ignores those anyway. Hence he reviews only a popmarket summary, and neither of the actual academic studies now published on this point. He is continuing the disingenuous tactic. Yet I explicitly warned against this in JFOS: “the historical community needs to set aside the previous claims of cranks and amateurs pushing this thesis, and look at the more careful, well-vetted, peer-reviewed arguments now published” (pp. 26–27), and “all the requisite evidence, cited scholarship, [and] footnotes” are in those studies (p. 9). Chavez refused to take the memo. Ask yourself why.
Chavez at least admits it “is fair to challenge the assumption of Jesus’s historical existence.” The truth is, after all, “heavily obscured through hagiography,” and Chavez “cannot dispute” that “any conclusion that supports” the historicity Jesus, “for instance, as an ‘Apocalyptic Prophet, or Cynic Sage’,” is only “achieved by ‘circular reasoning’, namely, an overdependence on Mark’s Gospel.” Which sounds pretty close to simply agreeing with me. A historical Jesus is only plausible, not established. Hence he admits:
Carrier correctly notes that “most scholars already conclude [Jesus] was not called Christ … until after his death” (14); that the authors of the canonical gospels, never identified in text, are traditional personages used “for convenience” (19); that Mark’s Gospel, though earliest, is edited to feature “five different endings” (77); and that “John is the most unreliable, distrusted, and fabricated Gospel in the canon” (21). Such historical skepticism is heightened by the story’s use of literary characters, with clear thematic and/or political associations such as Judas Iscariot, Barabbas, Nicodemus, Lazarus, and those later named as Dysmas, Claudia Procula, and Longinus.
He likewise concurs Moses and the Patriarchs are mythical persons, so precedents exist. But then Chavez says “I am reluctant to recommend this text in its entirety for anyone teaching Jesus courses for undergraduates.” This is a strange segue away. Who suggested he should use a popmarket book for that and not the actual academic book? The only appropriate college textbook for this is either my On the Historicity of Jesus or Lataster’s Questioning the Historicity of Jesus. This is like complaining that Bart Ehrman’s Forged is too colloquial and lacks footnotes and therefore should not be used as a textbook—and forgetting to mention that its academic version, Forgery and Counterforgery, should be.
Chavez then goes on to complain that JFOS employs “stylized prose” and a “hypermasculine tone” (a rather gender-essentialist, and thus sexist, remark, implying women cannot be assertive, combative, or biting) and that its “voice” and manner of presentation is “best fit for a subculture” interested in the subject rather than scholars. Since these things are literally the purpose of JFOS, those aren’t really complaints about it, but about the absence of a more suitable text for scholars—except, there is no such absence: the more suitable text for scholars exists. In fact, two now, given Lataster’s publication in 2019, occasioning my finally relenting and producing a popmarket summary.
The most laughable complaint Chavez has is that JFOS contains “refutations of previous critics” (perish the thought), and in the same breath he denigrates our observations of irrational and dishonest dismissal (like Chavez’s own review even exemplifies) as simply airing “academic grievances,” like a bully punching you in the face until you defend yourself and then complaining how violent you are. And the beauty of all ironies: after complaining that we mention our studies were peer reviewed, he compares JFOS to “a book by John G. Jackson that I read as a teenager, Christianity before Christ,” the work of a crank amateur, the very thing our work is nothing like and specifically avoided repeating the errors of, so that it would pass peer review and thus obtain academic credibility. He even implies that I, like Jackson, compared Jesus to Mithras (Mithras is never mentioned in JFOS). Chavez thus implies an equivalence of academic merit, without giving any examples of any such equivalence. Which is yet another disingenuous rhetorical tactic: implying our academic studies are “just like” the crank amateur stuff they are nothing like, in an evident and dishonest effort to dissuade scholars from consulting it.
Nevertheless, Chavez claims he “likely will assign portions of Carrier’s book and blog in my gospels course,” but does not explain why he doesn’t, instead, assign portions of any of the actual academic studies (my Proving History or On the Historicity of Jesus or Lataster’s Questioning the Historicity of Jesus). Strangest of all: earlier he said he can’t recommend doing this. But now he says he will do it anyway. And without any clear reason. He can’t mean that he will use JFOS instead of OHJ or QHJ because it is briefer and an easier read; he just spent the whole review complaining about that as an unallowable defect. So why is he going to have students read it, and not the real studies? One can only speculate as to his intentions, though they are not likely to be honorable; I smell an argument by straw man, another device used to discourage students from reading the real thing, by misrepresenting the qualities of the colloquial summary as typical of even the original study it summarizes.
Factual Errors
Chavez does also make false statements about the facts and the field of Jesus studies. First, he complains that I rely “most problematically” on “a high Christology … in contradistinction to recent academic waves in search of a human Jesus.” In actual fact, recent academic waves have been in support of high Christology, the exact opposite of what Chavez claims here (though this I think any informed reader might immediately detect on their own, as anyone up on the literature will know his claim is false). He appears to be methodologically confusing Christian belief with historical reality. That the first Christians believed immediately in a high christology is not “in contradistinction” to Jesus having been an ordinary historical man. Those two quests are not related. The latter is a quest to determine who Jesus really was, rather than what his first worshipers believed him to be. That they believed him to be a space alien is beyond dispute. Whether there was an ordinary guy that they believed this of is a separate question. And I am explicit about this in the first chapter: “we all agree the Christians originally believed Jesus was from outer space” (p. 9), so the only dispute is whether they thought this of a real man or only an imagined one (p. 10; cf. pp. 14–16).
Or as I put it (on p. 31):
[Bart] Ehrman thinks the first Christians taught these things of a historical man, that they believed he had descended from outer space all the way to Earth to preach his ministry in Galilee and Jerusalem, and then reascended into outer space to communicate by revelation from there. But what if Jesus was originally thought to have resided only in outer space? To never have visited Earth at all? That crucial step of “being on Earth” is absent from the letters of Paul. So had Paul ever heard of the preacher from Galilee? Or was that a later fiction?
In other words, there is no longer any academic dispute about high Christology. We all agree now that Christians believed Jesus came from outer space in some sense (and returned thence). The dispute is over whether they believed this of someone they only imagined to exist, or actually met. And that cannot be answered by appeals to high Christology. It’s equally compatible with both scenarios.
Chavez then claims that it is “equally problematic” that “Carrier seems to overstate the development of Satan’s Luciferian mythology,” because “Lucifer’s fall is not fully actualized until Tertullian, Origen, and later theologians. Satan is not understood to be ‘hurled to the earth, and his angels with him’ until Rev 12:9.” The meaning of Revelation 12:7–13 is still debated. Given its allegorical mode, scholars are divided whether it refers to a past or future fall; and the dragon’s fall all the way to earth suggests an even farther fall than previous traditions that had Satan fall only as far as the air, as reflected in the Ascension of Isaiah. Because the legend of the fall of Satan and his angels long predates Revelation. It was already understood by Christians to be a past-tense event (Luke 10:18), and the reason Satan now plagues the air and is the cause of death and sin. This is explicitly related in the pre-Christian Jewish text of the Life of Adam and Eve, to which Paul even alludes (2 Corinthians 12:2–4; cf. Life 12.1 and 13.2–14.3, in the original Greek text), and the pre-Christian Jewish text of 1 Enoch, which Christians originally built their religion on. Likewise, 2 Enoch, also a first century Jewish text whether pre-Christian or not, explicitly equated the central villain with Satan (there are also pre-Christian allusions to these myths in the Book of Giants and Jubilees). The fall of Satan (by any of his names) was therefore unmistakably a pre-Christian and entirely Jewish development, not some later Christian innovation.
Chavez would not have made this mistake if he had read the actual academic study he was supposed to. For I cover this in Historicity (p. 184; which is duly noted in the concordance of JFOS), where I thoroughly contextualize the Jewish background to this (something Chavez claims I didn’t do), and I cite those sources, and scholarship confirming it as well, such as Michael Stone, “The Fall of Satan and Adam’s Penance: Three Notes on the ‘Books of Adam and Eve’,” Journal of Theological Studies 44 (1993). There are actually quite a lot of studies on pre-Christian demonology now, verifying my point: Thomas Farrar, “The Intimate and Ultimate Adversary: Satanology in Early Second-Century Christian Literature,” Journal of Early Christian Studies 24 (2018); Travis Proctor, Demonic Bodies and the Dark Ecologies of Early Christian Culture (Oxford University Press, 2022); Hector Patmore and Josef Lössl (eds.), Demons in Early Judaism and Christianity: Characters and Characteristics (Brill, 2022); Robert Moses, Practices of Power: Revisiting the Principalities and Powers in the Pauline Letters (Fortress, 2014); Annette Yoshiko Reed (Author)Reed, Fallen Angels and the History of Judaism and Christianity: The Reception of Enochic Literature (Cambridge University, 2005).
Conclusion
William Chavez never specifies a single factual error in Jesus from Outer Space. The only two times that he even attempts to, he ends up being the one making factual errors. Chavez also never specifies a single fallacy of argument in Jesus from Outer Space. He alludes to some disingenuously, but always by misrepresenting the reality (of what is in that book or the study it merely briefs or various contextual facts, like what a popmarket book is for, or why we emphasize peer review and how our studies differ from previous amateur work).
Chavez’s only substantive complaints are purely aesthetic—and still entirely off target, because he incorrectly applies the standards of an academic monograph to a colloquial popmarket book. By the actual standards of colloquial popmarket books, none of his complaints are even pertinent, and never relate to any substantial point. Whereas the academic study it summarizes (and that Chavez is completely avoiding any engagement with) does not commit any of those follies, and so they do not port over to it. This renders Chavez’s review entirely useless to any reader who wants to know what is really in Jesus from Outer Space, what it is actually doing as a book, or anything at all about any actual academic monographs on the historicity of Jesus, such as would actually be used as a textbook in a college course by any serious professor.
That historicists keep doing this is definitive proof now that there is no sound case for the historicity of Jesus. Because you don’t have to lie about things you can actually refute. You don’t have to employ rhetorical tricks designed to curry emotional hostility to a thesis, like ignoring an academic study and complaining that a popmarket summary of it isn’t academic, or ignoring why the distinction between what is and what is not peer-reviewed centrally matters to this subject, and the history of previous historicist rhetoric responsible for that. You don’t need tricks and lies to defend the truth; only falsehood.
It would be great to have an Audible version available.
It’s in the can and just being edited. It should be published this year.
As usual, these cultists seem to forget their magic book and its insistence that its god hates lies and liars, even if they are for this god.
I am not certain Chavez is religious. His views look very liberal to me, not conservative. So he could be either religious or not.
But one needn’t be Christian to recognize that bearing false witness is immoral and censurable—and literally unprofessional.
Hello Carrier! I am a 13 year old and i like academia recently ive read ur book on the historicity of Jesus [Really liked it] anyway, i made a new hypothesis on Papias and his statement about Hebrew Matthew id like to hear your thought on it!
https://youtu.be/liNRMB-th8U?si=Y9qyz8pM_feoClY-
That is a thesis worth pursuing if you get to a college level of study in any related subject.
I cannot tell at sight if it works, but it is at least plausible enough to explore. That Papias meant, in effect, a pesher by logia, and not sayings of Jesus as such could be correct. Of course, Scripture was believed to contain the actual direct words and thus sayings of Jesus, so these overlap (if you haven’t already, see my discussion in The Original Scriptural Concept of ‘The Lord’ Jesus), which lends credence to your suggestion.
But if this is the case, Papias meant (even if Eusebius did not want us to realize he meant—he is, after all, very selectively quote-mining Papias) that a certain Matthew ordered the pesher from which to compose the Gospel, and Evangelists (maybe even what we now call Matthew) built stories out of that pesher however they pleased. So it wasn’t Matthew’s Gospel he was referring to.
One argument against this that I see right away is that Eusebius seems to imply that Papias was juxtaposing an explanation of the Gospels, Mark as disordered and incomplete and Matthew as ordered and complete, which suggests he does in fact mean our Gospel of Matthew and not a pesher underlying it. And other authors (like Irenaeus) seem to think this of Papias as well. So it would be a difficult project to check and coordinate all the references to Papias on this and the exact Greek of Eusebius, and to explore whether Eusebius is distorting what Papias said by removing or altering its context, and so on.
In Thomas Jefferson’s time, it was already recognizable that there was no historical Jesus because he found no redeemer: “I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature.”
“This was indeed the very reason I avoided writing a popmarket book on the subject for so long …” Well, I’m glad you wrote it, I doubt I would have come around to read OTHOJ (which I haven’t yet). I enjoyed reading JFOS and recommended it as well.
Some guy has been posting this on Reddit:
https://acrobat.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn%3Aaaid%3Ascds%3AUS%3A6b2a560b-9940-4690-ad29-caf086dbdcd6#pageNum=1
Please explain why you care about one random apologetic essay out of thousands of similar apologetics online and even in print?
Because otherwise, we’ve already refuted this kind of nonsense—literally decades ago.
Breadcrumb starts here: Resurrection: Faith or Fact? My Bonus Reply
Its a mythicist paper isn’t it?
But it’s not peer reviewed, it’s whackadoo, its author has no evident qualifications, and it is solely in defense of a bizarre sectarian religious view, not a reasonable historical conclusion. So it’s useless.
There are tons of things like that online. So why care about this one?
It is interesting to see the book you have called “Hitler Homer Bible Christ” because there is another book called “Jesus Potter Harry Christ” which compares Christianity to the Harry Potter books. I heard it is also a kind of a mythicist book too by someone named Derek Murphy. The reviews don’t look very good. I am not recommending it. I am just fascinated by the similar titles.
Alas, it’s not a peer reviewed study, so it’s a mixed bag of ideas and reliabilities.
But the title was designed to a different purpose than mine. Jesus Potter Harry Christ all refer to the same person, with the intent to signal they are even the same person mythically (in the same way every iteration of Romeo and Juliet is the same myth, even when the characters are not called Romeo and Juliet). Hitler Homer Bible Christ refers to four completely different subjects, indicating the book ranges across those subjects. Murphy also likely created his title by juxtaposition (to signal a jumble literally and metaphorically). Whereas I was punning on the famous novel Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy.
So their similarity really is just an insubstantial coincidence.
As my custom, I’m off topic but I had lunch with a Coptic priest two or so weeks ago, and I told him that I view Tubal-Cain and most of the Patriarchs as mythical. I then asked him if it is possible to be Coptic Christian and accept figures like Tubal-Cain and Enosh as mythical. He was a little surprised and said, “there are some academic theories out there”. I told him that Mark Smith is a Roman Catholic and does not seem to have an issue with it (though I confess this is guesswork on my part since I haven’t actually met him and I’m only going off of what I think he would say given his previous writings). He seemed more dead set on the idea that Mary was a perpetual virgin and that Joseph was very old, those he said were deal breakers and one who rejected the perpetual virginity of Mary could not, in principle, be a Coptic Christian, regardless of what one thinks about the minor patriarchs.
I asked an Antiochene Orthodox priest the same question and he got frustrated after I brought up the Greek. I told both priests that Justin Martyr never mentions the perpetual virginity of Mary despite being the very first person to quote a written gospel and name it as such (Doherty, 2001). They basically admitted they didn’t know much about Justin Martyr despite claiming to have studied at the seminary level the Church Fathers. I think the whole appeal of Eastern Orthodoxy to American men is a desire to have some semblance of Catholic aesthetics without the priest scandals.
“sewing false beliefs” should be sowing
Good catch. Fixed.
Just an FYI. I uploaded a long section of text from one of your blogs to Voice Engine in Chat GPT 4o. You may not need voice readers or sessions any longer. On the first shot, it came off sounding very much like you. It caught many of the inflections that were clued by your narrative style. If you train it on your own voice–even today–you will be amazed.
And this is a teacher? Seems desperate to appear intellectually discerning without making an actual effort. Did you write to professor lazy pants and ask, like, huh?
Hi – I enjoy your blog and was curious if there is a clear line between mythical and historic early Christians – do we know which of the early popes, bishops, clerics, etc. were real, for instance?
Not really, no. Almost all that data (insofar as we even have any) is late and legendary, and unsourced and thus unreliable. What little we do have is extremely limited (e.g. in authentic letters Paul says a guy names Apollos was one of the Apostles, so that’s probably true, although he tells us next to nothing about him; likewise he identifies Cephas/Peter as the first Apostle and thus founder of the Christ movement, but then tells us barely little more than he does about Apollos; etc.).
Thanks! Who was the first pope who we know existed, or at least can be fairly sure? Clement?
No.
The word “pope” is a late invention. It does not exist as a thing for centuries (see Wikipedia). And the Epistle of 1 Clement makes clear no such position existed, either. Churches were autonomous, and one church could only hope to persuade another in the usual way; they could not cite rank at them. See my discussions in How We Can Know 1 Clement Was Actually Written in the 60s AD and Interpreting 1 Clement’s Supposed Descriptions of Fabulous Murders.
Moreover, the church was not unified until fourth century imperial decree (and even then, only on paper). So there was no single person to call upon. We do not know if Clement even was the bishop (rather than merely an elder) at Rome (in fact the name is not in the letter and it appears to be written collectively by a committee), but even if he was, there may have been competing churches at Rome who didn’t recognize that one; and there certainly were within a hundred more years.
So there was never any single hierarchy to identify. The one that prevailed did so only by state force later on. And that one had no such position as “Pope” until the third century. Their decision to rank the bishop at Rome as the top rank of the distributed church was late, and competed with, for example, the Orthodox Tradition, which eventually declared their “Patriarch” in Constantinople as the top rank (eventually splitting the Church again). And there were others who likewise split (like the Copts and Ethiopians).
Thanks for the detailed answer! I had no idea that the line of early popes was made up – I assume by the Catholic church trying to gain legitimacy? Any good books or resources on how the Catholic church tried to rewrite history? I’m fascinated by this.
What about Paul and Peter – are they established as actually existing, or could they be mythical or dubious figures as well? What’s the probability they really existed?
Invented pedigrees was a common thing back then (it happens in philosophical and medical schools of thought back then, too). And yes, all for the reason of trying to establish authority over competitors (hence competing Christian sects had their own pedigree lists competing with the one we know; in fact that one appears to have been invented to combat those).
There is no single book on this. You have to pick a specific sub-topic. For example, Moss on the Myth of Persecution. On the ancient development of the papacy there is Eamon Duffy’s Saints and Sinners: A History of the Popes, 4th ed, and Christopher Lascelles, Pontifex Maximus: A Short History of the Popes. There is also a handy survey of the evidence and its weaknesses by an amateur, Brandon Addison, that is reasonably restrained methodologically and useful for being thorough in citation.
On Paul and Peter: they are probably real, because we have two eyewitnesses attesting them (Paul for himself and Peter; and Clement for both). See The Historicity of Paul the Apostle and How Do We Know the Apostle Paul Wrote His Epistles in the 50s A.D.?; and for Clement, How We Can Know 1 Clement Was Actually Written in the 60s AD and Interpreting 1 Clement’s Supposed Descriptions of Fabulous Murders. The relevant letters bear numerous hallmarks of authenticity and contemporaneity. The evidence is sufficient to render their odds on existing at no less than 100 to 1. And that’s without Acts, which is wholly unreliable for this (see How We Know Acts Is a Fake History).
How common in the field are the views that Jesus never existed, and that Christianity is one of the savior cult religions?
Both are minority views at present. The view that Christianity was a competing mystery religion (albeit a Jewish version) is more widely accepted (as that does not entail Jesus didn’t exist; it doesn’t even entail that he invented those aspects of the religion). For comparative perspective, the view that Jesus didn’t exist is more widely accepted than the view that Jesus was an armed militant (which is nevertheless a respected hypothesis taken seriously in the field).
It is difficult to know how widely this view is granted because no one polls these beliefs among experts, almost no experts have even read the peer reviewed studies questioning the consensus (and thus are in no way capable of evaluating them until they do read them), and several experts have expressed worry about “outing” themselves as admitting to either view (there is a lot of peer pressure in the field against it). Moreover, more than half the “experts” are actually Christian apologists who cannot admit these things (neither personally, as it would destroy their faith; or professionally, as it could get them fired, demoted, censured, ridiculed, or harassed). So we are not likely to get an honest or open accounting of even what the actual consensus us, or who is pushing it. I discuss this problem in my forthcoming book.
But for now, we do have a list of scholars who have gone on the public record admitting doubts that Jesus existed or admitting such doubts should be taken seriously. It numbers several dozen now and is growing: List of Historians Who Take Mythicism Seriously.