I will be at several events in Chicago this weekend…
- Sunday morning (November 2 at 10:30am) I will be speaking on my book Proving History: Bayes’s Theorem and the Quest for the Historical Jesus for the Ethical Humanist Society of Chicago (details here). I’ll also be discussing the case for Jesus never having existed, not just talking about Bayesian history.
- Later that afternoon (from 2pm to 6pm) I will be at a meet and greet at the Hopleaf Bar & Restaurant for drinks and conversation, sponsored by the Freedom from Religion Foundation’s Metropolitan Chicago Chapter (details here).
- Then Monday night (November 3 at 6:30pm) I will be speaking on my book On the Historicity of Jesus: Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt for the DePaul Alliance for Free Thought (yes, DAFT) at DePaul University (details here). Yes, a Catholic university. Also ironically addressed at 2400 N. Sheffield Ave. (Chicago, IL 60614), given that my Historicity book was published at the University of Sheffield.
Due to last minute changes to the event schedule, I will also be in Chicago this Saturday (having flown in Friday) with nothing scheduled. I might just get work done that day. But on the off chance any folks I’ve met before or any godless groups want to gather for drinks and conversation that day, feel free to email me about it (at richard.carrier@icloud.com).
This will almost conclude my intense nonstop tour that’s been going steady since September, which has kept me away from home almost every single day, and kept me traveling or doing events almost every single day. So I’m really close to finally having time to get back to managing blog comments and even blogging things other than announcements. I have a lot to blog about so I can’t wait.
Stay tuned!
A treatment of McGrath’s review of OHJ would be well received, I think.
[start whining]
Richard, how about a little more advance notice next time?
I’m a couple hours away from Chicago and was excited when you previously mentioned you’d be coming there soon. I check your blog a few times a week (I used to check daily, but it’s been pretty inactive). I checked today and found you’d announced three Chicago events four days ago, and two were already done (!) and the third was tonight. Unfortunately I can’t really drop everything and wing off to Chicago in a few hours. I had a friend who was interested in going with me, so you lost two attendees for at least one of the events.
Maybe next time you go on tour you can post a schedule somewhere that’s kept up-to-date? I’m guessing you knew about these before October 30.
[whining complete]
Sir: I look foward to your thoughts on this recent “document” of Marcus Velleius Paterculus, supposedly describing an eye witness account of Jesus of Nazareth healing a still born child. See http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/newly-found-document-holds-eyewitness-account-of-jesus-performing-miracle/
My apologies sir, I have just determined (per Snopes) that my previous posting was erroneous. I have purchased, read, and was very impressed with your latest book: On the Historicity of Jesus. Thank you
What if the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus never really happened, but were just invented out of literary models from older Greek and Jewish writing? What if this was done because it was thought the world would be a better place if people believed Jesus died for our sins and rose from the grave?
Plato writes: “What they will say is this: that such being his disposition the just man will have to endure the lash, the rack, chains, the branding-iron in his eyes, and finally, after every extremity of suffering, he will be crucified, and so will learn his lesson that not to be but to seem just is what we ought to desire …” (Republic 2.361e-2.362a). Maybe this passage in Plato’s Republic inspired the crucifixion story in the New Testament in the same way Psalm 22, Isaiah 53, and the Wisdom of Solomon did by way of haggadic midrash. Maybe the crucifixion and resurrection story about Jesus was one of those noble lies Plato spoke of in the Republic (see Republic Book 3, 414e–15c), told because it would make the world a better place if the masses believed it.
Plato apparently takes the idea of the noble lie from Euripides’ Bacchae, where Cadmus says “Even though this man (Dionysus) be no God, as you say, still say that he is. Be guilty of a splendid fraud, declaring him the son of Semele, for this would make it seem that she was the mother of a god, and it would confer honour on all our race.” Maybe this is why Christians said Jesus was a God.
“The noble lie” would fit in with Jewish and Christian theology, where lying and deception were allowed if it served the purpose of God (see Exodus 1:18-20, Joshua 2: 4-6, 1 Kings 15:5, 1 Kings 22:23, 2 Kings 8:10, 1 Samuel 21:2, Jeremiah 4:10, John 7: 8-10, 2 Thessalonians 2:11, James 2:25).
Maybe a better world was a cause the original Christians would die for, even if they knew Jesus never rose from the dead. Paul would have been part of this conspiracy too, because he was never hunted down by his former employers when he deserted and joined the Christians.
“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful (Lucius Annaeus Seneca)”
I tried to leave a comment the other day but I accidentally cut out the second last paragraph. Here is the full comment:
What if the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus never really happened, but were just invented out of literary models from older Greek and Jewish writing? What if this was done because it was thought the world would be a better place if people believed Jesus died for our sins and rose from the grave?
Plato writes: “What they will say is this: that such being his disposition the just man will have to endure the lash, the rack, chains, the branding-iron in his eyes, and finally, after every extremity of suffering, he will be crucified, and so will learn his lesson that not to be but to seem just is what we ought to desire …” (Republic 2.361e-2.362a). Maybe this passage in Plato’s Republic inspired the crucifixion story in the New Testament in the same way Psalm 22, Isaiah 53, and the Wisdom of Solomon did by way of haggadic midrash. Maybe the crucifixion and resurrection story about Jesus was one of those noble lies Plato spoke of in the Republic (see Republic Book 3, 414e–15c), told because it would make the world a better place if the masses believed it.
Plato apparently takes the idea of the noble lie from Euripides’ Bacchae, where Cadmus says “Even though this man (Dionysus) be no God, as you say, still say that he is. Be guilty of a splendid fraud, declaring him the son of Semele, for this would make it seem that she was the mother of a god, and it would confer honour on all our race.” Maybe this is why Christians said Jesus was a God.
“The noble lie” would fit in with Jewish and Christian theology, where lying and deception were allowed if it served the purpose of God (see Exodus 1:18-20, Joshua 2: 4-6, 1 Kings 15:5, 1 Kings 22:23, 2 Kings 8:10, 1 Samuel 21:2, Jeremiah 4:10, John 7: 8-10, 2 Thessalonians 2:11, James 2:25).
Maybe a better world was a cause the original Christians would die for, even if they knew Jesus never rose from the dead. Paul would have been part of this conspiracy too, because he was never hunted down by his former employers when he deserted and joined the Christians.
Of course the Jesus story was all lies. Religion has always been all lies. Did Muhammad fly off into the sky on a winged horse, or was somebody lying? Did Apollonius of Tyana do all those miracles, or was somebody lying? Did Joseph Smith find golden plates from heaven, or was somebody lying? Did Jesus do all those miracles and rise from the dead, or was somebody lying?
“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful (Lucius Annaeus Seneca)”